These Youtubers have a substantial overlap between their fans and alt-right Youtubers, and that’s not a “lose connection.” If you deal in ideas, your fans are a reflection of the ideas you present. That shouldn’t be controversial.

Even though Styx and Sargon claim to be “classical liberals” or “centrists” or whatever and both acted as the token opposition in debates with Richard Spencer, they still repeat a watered down version of many of the same alt-right talking points. Styx has even dabbled in Holocaust denial. Even though he might reject things like “race realism” or “ethnostates,” most of Sargon’s positions on Islam and immigration are indistinguishable from those to the right of him.

And Tim Pool is such a leftist that he breaks bread with Neo-Nazi shitheads like James Allsup and Baked Alaska (a guy who was on tape in Charlottesville telling David Duke “I love you”).

As for people like Joe Rogan, I don’t think it’s unfair or inaccurate to say that he acts as a gateway by platforming some of these people regardless of his personal politics. He has hosted Alex Jones many, many times as well as people like Gavin McInnes.

None of this is imagined. It’s what the data show.

Ms. Lewis wasn’t necessarily arguing that all these people are Nazis. She was pointing out that it’s a big ecosystem and they’re all part of it.